WHDLoad MantisBT - Oscar
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0001181Oscar[All Projects] Generalpublic2006-01-16 18:162020-04-08 17:46
ReporterHexaae 
Assigned ToJOTD 
PrioritylowSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
StatusclosedResolutionfixed 
PlatformOSOS Version
Product Version 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
MachineA1200
CPU68060
CPUSpeed66
ChipSetAGA
GFXCardNone
ChipMem2 MB
FastMem64 MB
WorkbenchOS 3.9
KickROM40 - Kick 3.1
KickSoftNone
WHDLoad16.5
importedyes
Summary0001181: Oscar: Questions... Oscar AGA still has problems with gfx glitches in the
DescriptionInstall: Oscar (Flair Software) http://whdload.de/games/Oscar.html
GameVersion: english,pal,2 disks
SlaveVersion: 1.0 from 20.05.2000

Questions...
Oscar AGA still has problems with gfx glitches in the underwater level... using OSEmu or fake kickstart in a new slave wouldn't be possible to solve all these problems? The original and the HD-install by Thomas Kessler (but doesn't quit to WB) do not show these problems... Or maybe a new slave for the HD version by Kessler (it includes password bypass) to make it more simple ;-)
Same question for Jim Power: an OSemu version wouldn't automatically fix the gfx bug in the 1st level?
TagsNo tags attached.
Attached Files? Oscar.Slave (1,336) 2012-02-16 16:33
http://mantis.whdload.de/file_download.php?file_id=139&type=bug

Notes
(0000875)
Wepl   
2009-04-30 19:58   
maybe I check this some day, but I already worked to much on this in my eyes ugly game...
(0002608)
Wepl   
2012-02-16 16:30   
>BJ> Report: Questions... Oscar AGA still has problems with gfx
>BJ> glitches in the underwater level... using OSEmu or fake kickstart in
>BJ> a new slave wouldn't be possible to solve all these problems? The

>BJ the game doesnt use the os beside allocmem so this would have
>BJ absolutely no effect.

>BJ> original and the HD-install by Thomas Kessler (but doesn't quit to
>BJ> WB) do not show these problems... Or maybe a new slave for the HD
>BJ> version by Kessler (it includes password bypass) to make it more

>BJ where can I get this?

Ask JOTD ;-)
http://jffabre.free.fr/amiga/other_loaders/oscarhd.lzx
This installers doesn't quit back to WB :-( but removes protection, load the game from HD with best caches even on my 060
and has no gfx bugs in the Horror-Underwater levels...

>BJ> simple ;-) Same question for Jim Power: an OSemu version wouldn't
>BJ> automatically fix the gfx bug in the 1st level?

>BJ I doubt that jimpower uses the os.

Ok, I just thought the OSemu mode emulated a clean Amiga reset but that's not the case obviously. It's very hard to fix
the technical problem behind gfx error in jim power's very 1st level?
(0002609)
Wepl   
2012-02-16 16:31   
>BJ> >BJ and you are using the latest slave?
>BJ>
>BJ> version 1.8 (24.02.2001)
>BJ>
>BJ> >BJ i dont see any glitches. in which level?
>BJ>
>BJ> Enter 2nd door, Horror level. Go right, to the water below... jump
>BJ> in-out for some secs. Sometimes screen flashes. Another thing: go on
>BJ> the bottom underwater and leave the sprite there. When you hear the
>BJ> breath-bubble-sound the sprite wobbles slightly...

>BJ please try attached slave. i have no screen flashes here. but you must
>BJ not use CACHE tooltype.

Ok, no flashes, but it's quite slow without CACHE with 060. With CACHE it's always silky smooth and sprites and scrolling
is refreshed 1\50 sec. Much better.

>BJ the sprite wobble is normal i would say, doesnt that happen under jst?

Not at all, and not even loading Oscar from floppies... When there is the bubble-breath sound your sprite trembles
up'n'down.

--
Luca "Hexaä" Longone
(0002610)
Wepl   
2012-02-16 16:32   
Subject: [WHDLoad] Oscar AGA and underwater flickerings

Hello,
am I the only one to see a gfx bug in Oscar AGA, underwater (horror) level?
Don't move your sprite underwater and every time there's the bubble sound Oscar will flicker up&down...

Can't see this bug running it from floppy or using the installer by T.Kessler:
http://jffabre.free.fr/amiga/other_loaders/oscarhd.lzx
(0002881)
Hexaae   
2013-01-05 17:22   
(Last edited: 2013-01-05 17:30)
Bug still unsolved.
Was present on real A1200 and now on WinUAE... :(

When underwater (Horror level), when the bubbles sound occurs, your sprite will tremble up/down with a minimal gfx corruption.

(0007370)
Wepl   
2019-11-13 11:06   
Could you test if this still happens with the updated install?
(0007372)
Hexaae   
2019-11-13 13:51   
Seems to work fine and I can't see the glitch anymore (WinUAE 4.2.3beta + WHDLoad 18.5).

Wepl, just a question about cheats and potential gameplay improvements:
Would it be possible to implement 1 hit = death for enemies (it's 3 in the original game)? And maybe add a "no respawn" (or much longer at least) option after you kill them?

This game was technically quite cool with crisp gfx and nice AGA effects (water etc.), a real pleasure to see, but gameplay has always been killed by that stupid respawn system and enemies to be hit 3 times to die... Very bad game design ideas that made it boring and uninteresting/frustrating IMHO.
(0007374)
Wepl   
2019-11-13 15:00   
JOTD made the last change to this install. Maybe him.
I have not time for that ATM.
(0007376)
Hexaae   
2019-11-13 17:15   
Argh! I was wrong about the underwater bug with vertical-rattling sprite at bubble sound:

With these tootlypes under WinUAE I can't see it:
ExecuteStartup=
ExecutePostDisk=uae-configuration cachesize 512 immediate_blits true cpu_speed real cpu_compatible true cpu_throttle -200

But is still reproducible using these:
ExecuteStartup=
ExecutePostDisk=uae-configuration cachesize 0 cpu_compatible false cpu_cycle_exact true immediate_blits false
(0008059)
JOTD   
2020-04-05 22:00   
could it be a blitter error? going to check with WinUAE blitter debug option.

Apart from that: the new version of the slave implements the "1 hit kill" on enemies if some option is on. I didn't remove the respawn though. But with this option, the game is already less tedious. Good suggestion!

Unrelated: Jim Power graphical glitches are completely unrelated. And game doesn't use the OS. Stingray is having another look right now.
(0008060)
Hexaae   
2020-04-05 23:05   
Great!
If possible would be great the no-respawn option too... ;)
(0008073)
JOTD   
2020-04-07 16:20   
(Last edited: 2020-04-07 21:19)
I can confirm this glitch: when the bubble sound plays, a few horizontal pixels appear and the character "jumps".

It's a sprite data issue. The first line is probably the last line of the character or some other irrelevant data. Coupled with the sound replay routine WTF :)

The sprite glitch issue even happens on quickstart A500 with ECS version unless "cycle exact (full)" is ticked.

It's a beam/sync sprite refresh issue.


Issue History
2009-04-10 00:50administratorNew Issue
2009-04-10 00:50administratorStatusnew => assigned
2009-04-10 00:50administratorAssigned To => Wepl
2009-04-10 00:50administratorMachine => A1200
2009-04-10 00:50administratorCPU => 68060
2009-04-10 00:50administratorCPUSpeed => 66
2009-04-10 00:50administratorChipSet => AGA
2009-04-10 00:50administratorGFXCard => None
2009-04-10 00:50administratorChipMem => 2 MB
2009-04-10 00:50administratorFastMem => 64 MB
2009-04-10 00:50administratorWorkbench => OS 3.9
2009-04-10 00:50administratorKickROM => 40 - Kick 3.1
2009-04-10 00:50administratorKickSoft => None
2009-04-10 00:50administratorWHDLoad => 16.5
2009-04-10 00:50administratorimported => yes
2009-04-30 19:57WeplPrioritynormal => low
2009-04-30 19:57WeplResolutionopen => suspended
2009-04-30 19:57WeplDescription Updated
2009-04-30 19:58WeplNote Added: 0000875
2012-02-16 16:30WeplNote Added: 0002608
2012-02-16 16:31WeplNote Added: 0002609
2012-02-16 16:32WeplNote Added: 0002610
2012-02-16 16:33WeplFile Added: Oscar.Slave
2013-01-05 17:22HexaaeNote Added: 0002881
2013-01-05 17:30HexaaeNote Edited: 0002881bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=2881#r300
2019-11-13 11:06WeplNote Added: 0007370
2019-11-13 13:51HexaaeNote Added: 0007372
2019-11-13 15:00WeplNote Added: 0007374
2019-11-13 15:00WeplAssigned ToWepl => JOTD
2019-11-13 15:00WeplStatusassigned => resolved
2019-11-13 15:00WeplResolutionsuspended => fixed
2019-11-13 17:15HexaaeNote Added: 0007376
2019-11-13 17:16HexaaeStatusresolved => feedback
2019-11-13 17:16HexaaeResolutionfixed => reopened
2020-04-05 22:00JOTDNote Added: 0008059
2020-04-05 22:01JOTDStatusfeedback => acknowledged
2020-04-05 23:05HexaaeNote Added: 0008060
2020-04-07 16:20JOTDNote Added: 0008073
2020-04-07 18:50JOTDNote Edited: 0008073bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=8073#r1149
2020-04-07 18:50JOTDStatusacknowledged => confirmed
2020-04-07 21:19JOTDNote Edited: 0008073bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=8073#r1152
2020-04-08 17:46JOTDStatusconfirmed => resolved
2020-04-08 17:46JOTDResolutionreopened => fixed
2020-04-08 17:46JOTDStatusresolved => closed